3And I will make thee swear by Let me tell you something, if your church recommended War Room, you can almost be certain that its leadership knew next to nothing about Shirer. This article really turned me off on her. He was one of the founding fathers of the heretical Word of Faith/New Apostolic Reformation movement and a mentor to Ken Copeland, whos also a Word of Faith/New Apostolic Reformation heretic. Do you have another links to her preaching or instructing men in the Scriptures? Dear Michelle, My wife is grateful because of the resources, and because of what she said is best described as like mindedness,(She is sitting beside me by the way!) She sounds really nice and charismatic and thats about it but my spirit doesnt bear witness with her. There is only ONE requirement for salvation, and that is accepting that Jesus Christs blood took the place of our sin, recognize our sin and confess it, believe that Jesus is Gods son. These women are an excellent entry way in to the faith. 3. I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will remove your heart . What we believe about God must come from Scripture alone. Thank you, Michelle! Grayson Baptist Church - July 28, 2013 Matthew 14:15-16. (Also, their main genre is apologetics, not discernment.) Your defense of Moore and Shirer is based only on your own experiences and opinions. Job 36:26 Verse Concepts Otherwise, it appears this is a form of gossip.. I have to admit that I do not know the entire Biblical passage on this, Going Beyond Ministries with Priscilla Shirer - The Mercy of Our Great God (March 24, 2017) Priscilla preaches the Sunday sermon at Celebration Church (co-"pastored" by a woman) Priscilla Shirer: YOUR Spiritual Battle & the Armor of God (Full Teaching) | Praise on TBN (May 21, 2021) Priscilla preaching to a co-ed audience at Passion 2018 Unfortunately, they depend on LifeWay to deliver sound material. I dont follow TGC any more. Id encourage you not to take my word for it, but to examine the evidence against Scripture (in context, of course) for yourself. Nehemiah 8:10 Verse Concepts Let's find out as we begin this study in discernment, Choose What Is Right. Bible Study Workbooks Priscilla's studies help believers to know the truths of Scripture intellectually and encourage them to experience these truths practically by the power of the Holy Spirit. Its this link: http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=18085. In closing out this conversation, I would strongly encourage you to continue practicing what youve said- just study your Bible in a systematic way, using good hermeneutics, and stay away from false teachers like Priscilla Shirer. Popular False Teachers & Unbiblical Trends, please click here and read this article first, Priscilla Shirer: YOUR Spiritual Battle & the Armor of God (Full Teaching) | Praise on TBN, What Are You Looking At | Priscilla Shirer | Hillsong East Coast, Women Teachers? read more, Scripture: Morning Service If it were, Paul, Jude, Peter, and even Jesus would be guilty of that sin. This is how people learn and grow in their faith. 2 Timothy 4:5 Verse Concepts I thought Jesus used parables as a means of illustrating profound, divine truths. But when an author rebukes another Christian publicly, as you have Ms. Shirer, than perhaps they may be asked to clarify further? The riches of His word are amazing! Love Your Life 2018 (March 20, 2019) with Victoria Osteen and Terri Savelle Foy, Know Your God | Joyce Meyer and Priscilla Shirer (In this clip, Priscilla also gushes over Henry Blackaby who mishandles Scripture and teaches a form of mysticism. and Serita Jakes (see below). "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. But books and blogs written for women are not what 1 Timothy 2:12 refers to, and its not the same as willingly allowing men to attend (which is something Beth and Priscilla both do) an event where a woman, in an authoritative position, is teaching Gods word to believers, or accepting speaking engagements that are open to men. Im surprised to hear thats her position. If I might, it would be my joy to help you out with this. The last verse was a warning; this is an encouragement. (I dont think she was building doctrine in this promotional video, but I could be wrong.). Im pretty sure some of our ladies are going to ask me where the evidence is that she was purposely teaching scripture to men. Going Beyond the Bible by Colin Morris. Do you interpret scripture to mean women should not witness to all people; share the gospel message to all nations not just other women or children? Going by her recent appearances, she no longer seems to have any reservations about violating the Scriptures that prohibit her from teaching and preaching to men. As a Christian when we face difficulty God provides the means for us to be encouraged, but we are not just to languish in that resting place. When I participated in Priscillas DVD studyHe Speaks to Meseveral years ago, I found her to be an engaging writer, a witty storyteller, and charismatic speaker. Thats good, but that doesnt change the fact that neither Beth nor Priscilla turn down speaking events that are open to both men and women. I guess I have to do some research on those folks. read more, Scripture: Our desire is not only for all to understand His written Word but for all to experience His Power! As Joshua was facing the end of his life, he challenged the people to chose, the choice they would make would define them as a people. 18:15-18), although I would add: The minute someone puts something on Youtube, Face Book, Twitter, or any other social media, or public outlet for that matter, your proof text falls flat in on itself, because more than anything this text deals with proper Church discipline. The Mailbag: Is It OK for Christian Women to Wear Bikinis? Or and be .. If thats not you, no need to read further, and I apologize in for any offense. And i have my wife to thank actually, because she asked me to help her find some pretty theologically sound ladies, and it was in a post Michelle did that she found what she was looking for. My bible teaches those roles but thank you. September 1, 2002 Like you, I also dont understand why believers behave the way they do- taking to task those who stand firmly upon the truth of Gods word instead of rebuking and rejecting false teachers such as Priscilla Shirer, when this is so clearly what Scripture says to do. Do you have other references to their false teaching? .. that none of you may be puffed up in favor of one against another. But growth to spiritual maturity through the study of Gods word and faithful obedience to Him isnt what Priscilla is offering through this study. Two of the three best known sources Ive listed, Justin Peters and Aimee Byrd, are Reformed. I didnt know I was reading and studying scripture wrong. My co-leader read your thoughts about Priscilla and I presented your views to the members of our study. Likewise I will not listen to Beth or Priscilla despite the fact that they are both Southern Baptist {as am I} because they teach false doctrine. However, under Three Suggestions he mentions biblical reflection, meditate on His word, and Christ-centered silence. Theres too much wiggle room in this article to pin him down on exactly what he means by silence. Id like to see him go back and tighten it up one way or the other to give clarity to his readers. Im sure you can find other examples on YouTube if you need them. - But such as is common to man; rather, except such as is human; i.e. CEB Brothers and sisters, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit. How I wish I could ask him what he thinks of his heathen saving methods now that he has seen the face of Jesus!). If our feelings, opinions, or experiences contradict Gods word, then those feelings, experiences, and opinions are wrong and we need to repent and believe Gods word instead. Heres why. Youve come to the correct conclusion about Priscillas teaching, and the Holy Spirit does direct genuine believers away from false teaching (John 10:5), but I want all of my readers who happen across this comment to please make sure (as Im sure Lynette did) you ALWAYS base your beliefs on what Scripture says, not on feelings and impressions. 3. She does. Glad to know i am not the only dude that reads this wonderful sisters blog. None. The False Teaching of Priscilla Shirer on the Here I Stand Theology Podcast, Is Priscilla Shirer a Sound Exegete? "Those from among you will rebuild the ancient ruins; You will raise up the age-old foundations; And you will be called the repairer of the breach, The restorer of the streets in which to dwell. She is the New York Times Best Selling author of more than two dozen books and has had featured roles in movies like War Room (2015), I Can Only Imagine (2018) and Overcomer (2019). And how their lives could be changed, too. What Ive given you here are not my personal views. My personal views dont matter, and neither do yours. Maybe a good example of Priscilla using eisegesis to teach scripture? (HaHaHa~ I KNOW Im going to be asked about this one by the ladies in our study. Again, since Scripture, not our opinions or feelings, is our authority, we have to obey that. Who then do you believe has not sinned and is qualified to teach Gods Word? Genesis 24:1-4. Finally, I agree we should seek out credible sources when reading news reports and things like that where were called upon to simply believe what were being told, but thats not the case here. Jude 18-19. That's a possibility, but a better plan is that Scripture is Holy Spirit inspired. read more, Scripture: Any more credible sources out there? 2:57- Do you know that of the original two million Jewish people only two actually ever made it? Their focus is on Christian living type articles, not discernment (which is certainly fine, everybody has his own genre). Which is why it grieves me to have to answer that question with: Her theology. Unfortunately, there are serious red flags about some of the things Priscilla does and teaches that Christian women who follow her, or are considering following her, need to be made aware of. No, Im afraid theres no such thing as a false teacher being an entryway into the faith any more than a bowl of cyanide can be a good appetizer before a healthy dinner. Where does Priscilla get the idea that God is supposed to be speaking in these ways? You do not have to know whether or not Im a credible source to examine the evidence in light of Scripture and come to the conclusion that she is sinning. This is a two part lesson as we consider are we going along que sera, sera? True, and there are many problems with Beth Moore as well. But I dont recall her suggesting that Christians meditate or pursue contemplative prayer. We do not build doctrine or what we believe about God on peoples subjective experiences. Where does the Bible teach this? Why do you think I do not? Genesis 24:15-20, Denomination: Ive read her own account explaining this. Introduction to Beyond Sunday Series: Your sermon reminded me about Peace of God and Love - Jonah 2:10. There is no dearth of advice for us believers about how to deal with this situation. That must have been before she asked for (and received) her pastors and husbands permission to teach men in her Sunday School class. God speaks to us and teaches us through the careful study and preaching of His word, not through subjective voices, feelings, and experiences in the rhythms of everyday living (what, precisely, does that phrase even mean?) I shared this post on Facebook the same day my new pastor friend requested me. (These are not exhaustive lists, I just havent gotten to the next installmets yet :0) Do keep in mind that there are many fantastic male teachers out there, and its perfectly fine for women/womens groups to use materials written by men. I cant but take this article with only a grain of salt. We are to go beyond encouragement. You need milk, not solid food, for everyone who lives on milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, since he is a child. ), but 2 Corinthians 6:14ff and 2 John 9-11, among other passages, are very clear that we are not to partner with those who teach false doctrine, which Catholicism, Word of Faith, and many other churches do. He saw 1000s come to Christ over a life time of service. Well, technically, this article would fall under the category of discernment, but yes, I guess you could say Im into apologetics as all Christians are called to be :0). unbiblical) meditation. Here is a short http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com article on Lisa: http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=10843, You can also tell a lot about these leaders by what events they speak at: In addition, Beth Moore violates other Scriptures including the ones prohibiting the teaching of false doctrine and yoking ourselves together with those who do. Hi Lisa- I think the articles in my Rock Your Role series will help answer your questions and give you a biblical understanding of womens roles in the church. I dont think you read my comment carefully enough. Be a Christian Who Cares Moving Beyond the Motions Though the Bible allowed provisions for indentured servitude, which was a humane alternative to such harsh punishments for failure to pay one's debts, such as d But Jesus said unto them, They need not Jesus did that too, so did Samuel, so did Elijah . or even some reformed guys or women who speak against Schirer. on that if youre interested. Christianity and Adversity: Corona Virus and a Faith Based approach 52-week preaching calendar to help you plan your sermons, Customizable sermon manuscripts for verse-by-verse preaching, Preach with creativity and impact throughout the year, [NEW YEAR] 4-Week Series to kick off 2023, [PRODUCTIVITY] Fulfill your full potential, [FOUNDATIONS] Getting back to what matters most. August 11, 2002 AM Are they guiding and leading a flock (a church)? Priscilla teaches something different. but I do know that I love Jesus and Im going to heaven, so Im just fine with that. As Christians, the Bible is our authority, so its what the Bible says that matters, and thats what I point women to. I. Opening Prayer. When the angels had gone away from them into heaven, the shepherds began saying to one another, "Let us go straight to Bethlehem then, and see this thing that has happened which the Lord has made known to us." Mark 5:32 Verse Concepts And He looked around to see the woman who had done this. Day and night they go around her upon her walls, And iniquity and mischief are in her midst. The Bible doesnt say anywhere that because only two people out of two million entered the Promised Land that only a handful of people will be able to experience (theres that word again) what weve learned on the pew.. Ive subscribed to both for several years, so I can tell you thats not the kind of writing they do (though Challies did feature and link to Aimee Byrds review of Fervent in his 12/21/15 A La Carte segment). 1:37-When these believerswho had experienced different things about God became part of my life, my eyes were opened to see God in a brand new way. My previous comment with the links was in answer to questions that you asked. And then help teach it to other women. The true bride will always go beyond the minimal requirements. Exegesis is taking a passage of Scripture in context, and leading out of it- teaching what the passage means. He said he met with the teachers of the studies and told them to go over and compare everything biblically and under his guidance to finish out the study and after that thereally will be no more Priscilla Shirer in our church. In fact, the Bible says the opposite. It is as old as the Scriptures themselves. Romans 8:24 For we I am curious about this comment, I realize this post is old so I dont know if it will be read however, based on the above article and your statements in your article referenced at the top this man who is talking about reading from your blog and learning from you is sinning by being under your teaching. It is called cross promotion. NOW, I have to preface this with this was MANY years ago. Go beyond putting ourselves first. I would love for you to hang out with us here at the blog and/or on social media (links at the top of this page). Remember, the Bible says our hearts are deceitful (Jeremiah 17:9), so we cant trust our feelings unless they line up with, and are based on, the truth of Gods word. Evangelical/Non-Denominational. Did you mean youre unsure whether or not she preaches to men? Yes, there are many more examples of Priscillas poor handling of Scripture in the Additional Resources section. Are they guiding and leading a flock ( a church )? 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