Why not capitalize on it? [16] A public vote was held following the announcement.[16]. White letters on a navy background is the way to go. Also, like I said, it's possible that they legally can't call it BR. The final decision was to be made later in 2022,[16] but the result has not been announced as of February 2023. The government has promised to base the organisation outside London to promote economic growth and skills in a region beyond the capital. It's already been seen with the government controlled LNER and GWR franchises for example. But the move still opens up some possibilities which Michael Gove and the rest of the Governments Union strategy team should consider. [18] GBR will own all infrastructure in Scotland and Wales that Network Rail owns now. But do you think Queen Nicola would accept trains branded as "Rail England" coming across the border? | Page 23 | RailUK Forums We're pleased to announce the launch of our new booking engine at tickets.railforums.co.uk, which helps support the running of the forum with every ticket purchased. We badly need that on the visual mess that is the railway. [8][9], A fortnight before the WilliamsShapps Plan for Rail was unveiled, the Department for Transport gave notice of a 6.5million contract for Deloitte up to February 2023 as its "strategic change delivery partner: rail reform programme". 3 Apr 2022 . All Class 42 "Warship" class diesels were delivered in green but some Class 52s were delivered in maroon to match the then-standard coaching stock livery. European paint code RAL5020 ("Ocean Blue") is a good match to Rail Blue. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. But do we really want to go back to that? What possible negatives are there to none enthusiasts? Find out more and ask any questions/give us feedback in this thread . In 1957 this changed to maroon with yellow markings and in 1963 bauxite with white lettering was adopted. It may not display this or other websites correctly. The concession contract system will be the long-term replacement for the previous system of passenger rail franchising run by the Department for Transport, which became unsustainable early in 2020 during the COVID-19 pandemic. The new British Rail "double arrow" symbol on locomotives (or leading vehicle as was the case on multiple unit stock) and the vehicle number and other ancillary markings written in the Rail Alphabet typeface were other integral parts of the livery. I tried going with the National Rail icon in the right hand side, but it was too small and nobody would notice it. He branded the Prime Minister an English nationalist, who was prepared to ignore Northern Ireland as the Conservatives have no electoral stake in the Province. Its not as if they need the advertising, nor do their brands carry the historic and emotional heft that the famous schemes of the genuinely private railways did. I wonder if you could make a hybrid of the two? It highlighted different ways in which Westminster could invest in Britain's strategic transport network to better-integrate the nation. I'm unsure about the livery as such, but if Great British Railways is taken forward, I'd expect 'GBR' to feature. [17] This livery is also often nicknamed 'toothpaste livery' by rail enthusiasts due to the multicoloured stripes resembling striped toothpaste. But thats the insidious appeal of nationalism: it willalwaysbe easier, in the short term, to spurn complicating national attachments in favour of tacking to local winds and making off with as much cash as you can lay your hands on. The name is still awful though and far too long. No.31271 in Railfreight "triple grey" livery with Construction sector markings. Now the charge of English nationalism is a tedious, largely Remainer trope that I have dealt with elsewhere. Read more about them in our, National HQ competition for Great British Railways. For example, GWRs London to Bristol, Penzance, Cardiff, Oxford etc might be wrapped up with a GBR Express or GBR Intercity, but the GWR commuter/regional services under a different brand name. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. I would rather that operations were branded similar to how they are now, but with a few changes compared with the existing TOC areas as follows: Chiltern Railways renamed as Chiltern & Oxbridge, with brand used on all planned EWR services in addition to those from London Marylebone. Nothing to bring it all together. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Because it's not going to be the same as BR. It does because it's public perception. Due to the small number of units repainted it was common to see trains with two or more units in different liveries. After contacting GBRTT (Transition Team), I have been informed of their intention to create a new livery. The Transport Secretary announced on 19 October 2022 that the Transport Bill which would have set up GBR would not go ahead in the current parliamentary session.[2]. Existing leases of stations to devolved transport authorities will continue. GBR will be modelled on the operations of Transport for London, which contracts services on systems such as London Overground. We need more national institutions to give a British shape to life, and GBR should be one of them. That's what happens when small-minded people look back on a classic that was before their time with a warped sense of populism. The livery was applied only to some Class 309 "Clacton" units on the former Eastern Region and to a few of Classes 411 (4Cep), 419 (MLV) and 421 (4Cig) on the former Southern Region. In 2001, as passenger work for diesel locomotives operated by Virgin CrossCountry came to an end, a number of their Class 47s were painted in "heritage" liveries that they had carried in the past, including the former D1733, now 47853, which once again carried a near-correct version of the XP64 livery. Judging from the signage and station painting they will choose something somewhere between boring and ugly, and we will be stuck with it everywhere, for ages. You also get a more legible and cohesive transport system. Brunswick Green. The British Isles is a the collection of European islands consisting of Great Britain, the island of Ireland, Isle of Man and the northern islands that are part of Scotland. BR's first standard locomotive liveries, adopted from 1949 onwards. This livery was known as Large Logo livery as each side of the locomotive was dominated by a full body height BR double arrow symbol, and had the loco number prominently displayed at twice the previous size. The purpose of this call for evidence was to develop an understanding of how much of the current and future market demand for freight could be met by rail, and the role rail can play in the nations supply chains. By 2020s Britain, I mean a design that is reflective of modern day marketing and branding. It may not display this or other websites correctly. With the publication of the Williams review and the announcement of the renationalization of British Passenger Rail, i thought i might help out anyone exited for new liveries or branding for trains.. Given the furious backlash over the Protocol, as well as the ill-managed disappointment that was the two parties 2010 link-up (under the awful acronym UCUNF), one can understand why Northern Irish politicians shy away from the Tories. The attachments illustrate this. The old Northern signs worked well, but only Metro/WYCA really got behind the co-branding opportunities, that I saw. I just see the thing as extremely surface level. Plus what is one persons opinion of a great livery will be different to the next. [10], Andrew Haines and Peter Hendy, the current CEO and chairman of Network Rail respectively, are overseeing the establishment of GBR. The rail system is no more a public service than coach companies or supermarkets. Thats a bit like saying everything has been invented, no need for anything more. This error in colour identification comes from an article and question published in a Model Railway Magazine in the 1950s, where the responding editor made the error, and it has frequently been repeated since then. "Great" means "large", not "very good". Dedicated station management teams will be created within regional divisions of GBR to manage stations and land. There just isn't room on a well functioning railway for true competition, so you might as well focus on the passenger experience, not the rail operator experience. The Great British Railways Transition Team (GBRTT) seeks to deliver the most ambitious changes to our railways in a generation, working with the government and across the rail sector. From 1966 until withdrawal, Pullman Coaches were also painted in the reversal of the normal coach livery, with the blue and grey areas transposed. [16] As well as rolling stock and multiple units, a number of Class 47 and Class 50 locomotives dedicated to Network SouthEast passenger services were painted in this livery. Something timeless. The train is operated by the Steam Dreams Rail Co. Mayflower built in 1948, is one of two surviving B1 Class locomotives and painted in distinctive British Railways apple green livery. Theres no vote in Northern Ireland for him or his Conservative party so he doesnt care, hes hands off.. The Blue Pullman sets retained their livery of Nanking Blue (albeit with full yellow ends) until 1969 when they were repainted in the reversed grey and blue livery. Multiple units were also generally green, although this tended to be a lighter and bluer shade compared to the colour used on steam and diesel locomotives. Every TfW station I've been to are still ATW-branded (in fact, Hereford yesterday). don't see an issue anywhere, as long as the concessions stay branded with whatever. The Double Arrow is used for stations on maps, so that's really a no-brainer frankly. This has been confirmed by records held at the National Railway Museum. We need a sense of professionalism and togetherness, one branding brings that. This is "straight out of 1975": I'm inclined to disagree there. Except their is massive nostalgia for BR days. It appears that while the plan is to brand all trains under GBR with one branding, that plan involves a much longer time scale: People are understandably sceptical about the frequent rebranding of trains and stations carried out under the privatised system, so the branding will be introduced alongside other improvements. Or the awful corporate blue BR? The colour often appears inaccurately in photographs, generally appearing brighter and bluer than the real colour. I don't think the red understripe would appear though, and there will still be calls from TfGM, WYCA TfWM, TfW, etc. JavaScript is disabled. This may well take time to introduce and rollout but my suggestion is as follows. It's the name of the island ffs. [7], GBR will use a slightly modified British Rail Double Arrow and the Rail Alphabet 2 typeface for branding. No.47373 in revised Railfreight "red stripe" livery. If Scotland leaves the UK it must become British Rail as Britain is defined as just England & Wales! And the more I see RA2 and its symbols, the more clumsy it looks. Another Class 52, No.D1015 Western Champion was delivered in another, darker yellow/brown colour described as 'Golden Ochre', though somewhat different from that applied to D5579. The coaches for the XP64 train were painted in a slightly lighter version of what would eventually become Rail Blue, with a 44-inch-wide (1,100mm) Pale Ivory stripe centred on the passenger windows, and brown underframe. The anniversary of the Battle of Hastings which took place in 1066 was also used in publicity for the line. Great British Railways (GBR) is a planned state-owned public body that will oversee rail transport in Great Britain,[1] with the exception of Transport for London and Merseytravel services, and light rail and trams elsewhere in England. Most of this nostalgia is from people who aren't old enough to remember just how rubbish latter day BR often was. Sadly cream on modern stock looks quite bad, or I suspect one incarnation of GWR might have tried it white might work ok instead. In 1964, as part of a plan to develop a new corporate image for British Railways, a number of experiments were tried; Discussions on the livery for British Railways coaching stock in 1948 eventually settled on a network-wide two-tone livery of crimson and cream for corridor coaches, with all-over crimson being used for local, non-corridor stock. Not the terms I would have used but I see where you might get that impression. (Something that ought to give die-hard advocates of splitting off the Scottish Conservatives pause for thought.) Variants where the band was blue (outer suburban) or green (inner suburban) instead of orange were planned, but never implemented.[15]. Goodbye. The new livery was used with the introduction of the Hastings Line electrification in 1986 to promote new electric trains on that line. They were repainted into blue/grey in the early 1970s. On 10 June 1986, British Rail launched Network SouthEast, an organisation designed to cut across the traditional regional boundaries and deliver a co-ordinated train service for London and the surrounding region. Construction of the first locomotive was completed in the final week of September 1957, and the handing-over took place on 31 October. For this new venture a new livery - a paler shade of blue than Rail Blue, with three stripes of white, red and grey - was created with Class 47 No.47573 The London Standard painted in the new livery specifically for the launch ceremony. Cross Country merged with EMT to form a brand called Midland Connect. The FT reports: The reforms will still allow private companies to run services but they will instead work under a more prescriptive management contract, similar to the system in place on the London Overground.. Here is some variants of my original 'swallow inspired' design. Here are his exact words: Hes concerned with the English vote. Originally a trading brand of the Railway Executive of the British Transport . The pleasure's all mine. Different NSE style local/commuter networks round the country. No.90021 in revised Railfreight "triple grey" livery, with Railfreight Distribution sector markings. I am confident I could design a better package in a few hours, and I am not a design professional. Consisting of three shades of grey and thus known as "triple grey Railfreight", the livery included logos on the sides and cabs of locomotives indicating which sector they belonged to. I have heard that the BR double arrows will remain in use due to the fact that in the UK everyone recognises it as the 'train station' symbol. Eastfield TMD staff near Glasgow also embellished a few examples of the class 37/0's allocated to the depot with a lower bodyside white stripe in the mid-80s but were told to stop doing it and repaint the ones they'd already done back to the standard blue livery by the BR hierarchy. I personally do not think there should be a standard livery across the network on the grounds that regional identity would be lost. Why could GBR franchises not do the same? It isnt hard to believe that there may be some truth to the suggestion that Johnson would be less cavalier in his treatment of Ulster if it returned even a handful of Government MPs. I'll give you an opportunity to make up a better more modern scheme then. Please can you explain the advantage of such a nationwide livery? It's only as complicated as you want it to be. GBR will own all stations and most infrastructure in Great Britain. I never knew I had OCD until that remark lol. For cost reasons, liveries were usually changed piecemeal, when coaches came in for scheduled maintenance. I reckon a simple logo like the one youve depicted will be what we see. For locomotives used on internal British Rail duties, a separate livery of a plain darker grey was created. There are conflicting view on Britain versus Great Britain. GW 1 1 Great British Railways The smokebox, running plate, and running gear remained black, and the bufferbeam remained red. Could GBRTT be right for you? More middle days; they were improving quite a bit in the 1990s. London Midland (pre LNR), that was white on black but the same idea. The British Rail Class 31 diesel locomotives, also known as the Brush Type 2 and previously as Class 30, were built by Brush Traction from 1957-62. In 1978 the British Railways Board began planning a new livery for the future, and in that August Class 56 diesel locomotive 56036 was painted to test a modified livery[11][12] of all-over Rail Blue with the entire loco front in bright yellow to improve visibility, this extending down the sides of the loco to the rear of the cab windows which were, in turn, outlined in black. It's the name of the island ffs. | Page 27 | RailUK Forums We're pleased to announce the launch of our new booking engine at tickets.railforums.co.uk, which helps support the running of the forum with every ticket purchased. Then why was the old version called British Railways, not Great British Railways, and why the change now for the new version if British Railways worked? It's not going to be called Rail England and if it was, there'd be nothing "Queen Nicola" could do about it. In October 2021, the Secretary of State for Transport announced a competition to find a location for the headquarters of Great British Railways outside of London. I imagine the LNER and GWR branding will be around the longest, as its allready kind of govt created and most in line with DfT standards. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Class 52 No.D1015 restored to 1960's Western Region Maroon livery. All Regions. Search for a trade mark - Intellectual Property Office (ipo.gov.uk), https://twitter.com/MrTimDunn/status/912009372292780033, Somewhere along the West Anglia Main Line. [14] While this livery had much in common with the "Large Logo" version of Rail Blue livery, including the yellow cabs and larger logo and numbers on the bodyside, the main colour was grey rather than blue. Make the name central and it'd be perfect. Great Britain is not a country; its a landmass. Home Forums Anyone got a suggestion for the government's latest bright idea today along the same lines, '. For example, the Midland Railway abolished Second-class on 1 st . It may not display this or other websites correctly. Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; I wanted to go for something modern yet flexible. Great Northern split, with the Moorgate services becoming part of the London Overground brand and the Kings Lynn route becoming part of the LNER brand. Differences should merely be factual, not corporate. Id like GN non-Moorgate stuff to join Greater Anglia, as they dont fit in LNER imo. Great Britain's railway system was built by private companies, but it was nationalised by the Transport Act 1947 and was run from then onwards by British Railways (which traded as British Rail from 1965) until privatisation, which was begun in 1994 and completed in 1997. There's rather a lot to list if you want to do it completely! Thanks. Infrastructure, passenger, and freight services were separated at that time. You are using an out of date browser. Our railways play a fundamental role in supporting the economic, environmental and social achievements of the country. Introduced in 1965, and also known as "Monastral Blue", the colour was defined by British Rail standards BR28/6001 (Airless spray finish) and BR28/5321 (Brush finish). [4] One locomotive, Class 47 No.D1733, was painted to match the coaching stock. [14] By 16 March (the deadline for submitting expressions of interest), 42 towns and cities had expressed an interest in hosting GBR's headquarters. Once we lose TOC branding I certainly think service categories need to return, if only on the Dutch basis of them only describing service patterns rather than anything else. Quick reference Livery Guide for Nameplates and transfers available in 4mm/00 scale. The livery derived its nickname from a perceived resemblance to the internal appearance of a Jaffa Cake. 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