We were talking a little bit about the elder board. WebIt is with heavy hearts that the Elders of Bent Tree announce that Pete Briscoe has submitted his resignation as Senior Pastor. I learned that from Bill. It is not a building. Correct? He even cites a conversation with Darrell Bock, a member who disagrees with the elders but who also says it is not an issue worth dividing over. Leave them alone. I can see the elders (more than half of which were women), and people in general saying, It was only a hug. He said, Pete, you should have one lawyer on your board but not more than one. And I believe that there is some really sound wisdom in that. WebHi friend, I'm Pete Briscoe. And a lot of us who sat in the congregation and received from them were, you know, duped and we bought it. Would you consider making a tax-deductible donation to help our journalists continue to report the truth and restore the church? Yes, I would view it far differently today. Yeah, my understanding of that of the history has come from interviewing witnesses, talking to people who have served in those roles and hearing their stories at Willow. And thats one of the things that I just come back to is that the word hypocrisy in the Greek the word that comes from that means actor. That is a very fair question. And its pervasive, and people are, theyre using it. They had these Global Leadership Summits. I dont think that he caused the elder board to resign. So glad to see you feature Mitch Little. But now my faith in the whole institution is shattered. Hi Julie, my name is Teresa and I was wondering if Voice of the Martyr was a good place to donate. Why didnt others support them? But so far, I havent seen that. Not sad or contemplative, but agitated and very irritated. Jill Now, God is leading our friend and leader Pete away from these walls, and we look on with sadness the sadness that comes when a season you love is passing. And this is a huge problem in the Evangelical Church in the southern baptist church, I mean, just absolutely massive problem where so often the predators covered up instead of brought to justice. Hi. I think there were a few major events. Very few. Youre absolutely right. And some of it also involved a culture that was willing to cover for wrongdoing. And it had all of these allies not just in the media, but among the angelical industrial complex, other megachurch pastors, everything. Thats one of the things that attracted me to it is that he would admit something that he had failed, like, I remember one Wednesday night at a midweek service, and he got up and he said how that day he had seen somebody who was, you know, he could tell that they were upset and in need, and he just walked right by the person and totally blew them off. Do we have a theology of goodness at our church? What I saw happen at Willow is, the board as a unit was willing to dissemble in the amount necessary to preserve the organization. Churches sometimes need advocates outside their system. As a lawyer whos represented some of Bill Hybels victims Mitch Little has seen a side of Willow Creek that few others have. And youre in the process right now of looking for a senior pastor. Today were talking with Pete Briscoe, who served as the senior pastor for nearly three decades at Bent Tree Bible Fellowship in Carrollton, Texas, and now consults with and coaches pastors. I And heres what we have to do as people leading churches, okay, you have to understand what the signs of grooming are so one of the things that I did that really helps me, my good friend, Boz Tchividjian, put out a book through his organization G.R.A.C.E. Well, Mitch, this has been read. Why did so many look the other way for so long? And I realized that as we were discussing this, that there might be some people who have heard about what happened at Willow Creek, but somewhat superficially, through the headlines and dont really know beneath the surface. Nobody has said they had intercourse with Bill. In our church, we have a no tolerance policy. It is not a program is not a set of services. He is with us today to talk about growing communication skills to improve preaching as well as how we can find deeper fulfillment in our work and lives. Now youre a lawyer. I hope someday I can overcome this cynicism because I need Church as it should be. That has been documented and proven through therapy notes. And I can only imagine what the economic forces are behind the scenes for that, but it really disappoints me, that that hasnt happened. WebLearn More About Pete Today - Pete Briscoe God loves you to distraction, There is nothing you can do to make Him love them more or less, And, that Life with this Lover God is rich beyond description, regardless of your performance. This person or these people were hurt as a result, you have a pride problem. I wasnt throughout the representation. And I still havent been able to get her to visit with me. Character always has to come first in hiring, then competence, and then chemistry. I think ultimately, we are still kind of under the inertia of a culture that was fomented by Pete Briscoe, which was a culture of goodness, a culture of grace and its still carrying forward under that momentum. Heres my belief, Julie, I think the church at large, the big leaders in evangelicalism, we can name names if we want to, and Im sure that people have names on their mind when theyre hearing this, Why were they silent? So he said something about so and sos clothing. It manifested at the Human Resources level. They made a lot of friends. It is also the church in which Pete Briscoe, my former wonderful pastor, grew up in. WebIt is with heavy hearts that the Elders of Bent Tree announce that Pete Briscoe has submitted his resignation as Senior Pastor. Im good friends with Vonda Dyer, who worked at Willow and was one of the women who bravely came forward with her story about her interactions with Bill Hybels. Okay. And you have to, there must be assiduous accountability going on in the life of someone who has the big radio show has the big platform, his platform at conferences and large organizations, because the temptations are greater. You can read about them at their website Teaching the Truth. And the thing about predators, Bill Hybels included, okay, is they start to do more things in public to condition you to behavior that is inappropriate, and they test their boundaries, to see what they can get away with. Pete reminds us that our goal is not to win arguments, but to win people. Much has been written on establishing criteria for board member selection. and so I almost feel like the elder boards are there to keep the honest person honest. But it was after a period of I dont know the details, and I dont know how much youre at liberty to say them, but its my understanding he went away for a period of time to kind of reflect and assess how he was doing and how he was handling things. Yeah, apparently its not going to happen. Great! A man who "dedicated his life to sharing Gods Word with the world" has died at the age of 91. And something else that you mentioned about the board, which I found fascinating was that the Willow Creek board had an awful lot of lawyers on it. The church is nondenominational and has woman pastors and elders. And where does whats legally expedient for our organization? And sadly, I think they have still. And that set the course for some of these more severe things to continue happening, and then to even get more and more severe. But they spoke. In fact, back in the late 80s, early 90s, we went to Willow Creek and we had a wonderful experience. I mean, you dont need to be trying to fit a round peg into a square hole, because it is gonna manifest itself in bad ways. To us, he was Stu, Dad and Poppa and we already miss him achingly." Whats our theology? He makes sure the good things stay in the church and the bad things go out. He has been married to Jill for more than 59 years and has three children and 13 grandchildren. Briscoe Gifted with wisdom, discernment, and a bit of English humor, the Briscoe's bring God's Word to life. https://world.wng.org/sites/default/files/issues/pdf/world_sep012018.pdf, Also, Id encourage you to read the website below. I think that was a move of God, a move of the Holy Spirit. I know for a fact that his article was circulated among the staff at Willow, and they crossed the Rubicon of credulity. Its my understanding that was a watershed moment. WebBriscoe says that he wants Bent Tree to be a place where people can agree to disagree over this issue. You have to have a strong culture of accountability. And to do that, we must avoid falling into the trap of our Christian beliefs being pitted against culture in the public sphere of debate. Fellowship, Church family, Community. What is it that causes so many people who know better, to look the other way and allow evil to prosper? Vanilla orchids are actually pollinated by hand in most places. For the next 90 minutes, Pete Briscoe enraptured us with his presentation of The Bema.. And I was sitting in my office one day and Vonda picked up the phone and gave me a call and kind of told me what was coming down the pike in terms of the Chicago Tribune article that basically lit the fuse on that entire situation at Willow. But he had the emotional and spiritual fortitude to say, You know what? So when you have someone who is trusted, whos supposed to be an expert, you know, like a pastor, like a longtime senior pastor whos supposed to be a theological expert, and someone whos in authority like a senior pastor, people are willing to do things to satisfy that person that they would not otherwise do, even if those things seem harmful to another person. Pete Briscoe was Senior Pastor of Bent Tree Bible Fellowship in Carrollton, TX for nearly 30 years. Well, I tried other churches and its more of the same. Then, I did what all good Christian college students did at that time I acquired a boot-leg copy of the drama and listened to it several times on my own. But the thing that was so shocking to me, is that Bill Hy Hybels was the first pastor I had ever seen be so vulnerable from the pulpit. I think it took courage. In another area, it might be used to groom someone and use vulnerability as a mechanism to draw people into something that is corrupt. Everything started to make sense. Im doing well but probably not as well as you because youre on vacation in Florida. Bent Tree is a multi site mega church in the Dallas Fort Worth area thats had its own share of crises over the past several years. Posted by Jonathan Deatherage on Apr 02, 2019. As I look back on my own four years on staff, Im thankful for the teaching and leadership that Pete Briscoe has brought to Bent Tree, and I know that so many of us have been impacted by his attention to the Lord and quick obedience to however God leads him. I think that he lost that. Pete Briscoe was Senior Pastor of Bent Tree Bible Fellowship in Carrollton, TX for nearly 30 years. It grows over time. Please contact us or click here to learn more about how to enable JavaScript on your browser. May you and your family be richly bleSSed!!! Stuart Briscoe died on August 3 "of natural causes unexpectedly" according to a tweet from his son, Pete Briscoe. And Hybels said, essentially, Yeah, well, well do it that way. And Clinton showed up and then didnt comply with anything that the board had said. Briscoe If you want to know what grooming looks like in the context of church, every elder at a church of any size should read this book. I followed the Harvest situation, which I think is its own it, you know, separate facts. James MacDonald was friends with Ed Stetzer. Jill and Stuart came to the States from England. With distinctly different teaching styles, you'll be moved by the emotional appeal of Jill and the compelling logic of Stuart, as they boldly proclaim God's sovereignty, grace, and love. Well, one thing I did want to cover, and our time is getting to an end, but I know that you have dealt with having a sexual predator within your church. When you say the IT department, its my understanding you came into some information about emails getting destroyed. Its M-I-L-G-R-A-M the Milgram experiment, but basically American researchers were trying to figure out after World War II, why so many in German society were willing to go along with the Nazis or go along with their leadership, do incalculably horrible things to people. Lawyer for Bill Hybels Victims Shares Inside Story. That to me, is a corruption of the role. And they were no friends of ours during the Harvest investigation either. I dont think I could survive the corruption I see today had I not seen so much thats good and beautiful in the church growing up. Interestingly enough, during the interview, he seemed extremely angry and resentful. Then, I did what all good Christian college students did at that time I acquired a boot-leg copy of the drama and listened to it several times on my own. So thanks again. I was the senior pastor of Bent Tree Bible Fellowship for nearly 30 years. In context, I think my meaning becomes clear as I say soon after, agreeing with Mitchs assessment that unanimity is bad: Absolutely horrible. Yes, in the course of representing these women, it became obvious that this was not what Ill call an echelon or tier leadership problem, just at Bill Hybels level. But it really had the tone has to be set by leadership for a culture of goodness. Jill and Stuart came to the States from England. Pete has offered to Yeah. This is the kind of thing that you would expect from someone whos cruel and not in relationship with Jesus. He was running and we were praying that he would surrender fully to God. It involves a level of compartmentalization that is truly stunning. 1 talking about this. And thats what, thats what you end up protecting right? Guest Bios Show Transcript Spiritual abuse has become an increasingly hot topic, as more and more stories of bully pastors and hyper-controlling, Guest Bios Show Transcript After years spent in an abusive church, how do you heal? Briscoe stepped down as senior pastor at the end of 2000 but remained involved in the church and active in overseas missions. I was the senior pastor of Bent Tree Bible Fellowship for nearly 30 years. Multiple services, being able to do it on cue, proves Hybels theatrical abilitiesI look back and feel sick, given all the details we now know from behind the scenes. And so I hope your listeners understand what I mean, when I say this, thats how good God is that he can use people who are even morally bankrupt, to bring people to himself. And the thing that is astonishing to me, you used the issue of emotional vulnerability is that, you know, a lot of times our strengths are our weaknesses. Gifted with wisdom, discernment, and a bit of English humor, the Briscoe's bring God's Word to life. You know, Hybels daughter had her own book on Oprahs book club. I mean, I cant tell you how many stories I heard just like the one that you told the people who said, Well, I was at a conference with Bill Hybels, and he was awful to me. It should be something that he learned from, right? But essentially, it was the board being asked to deal with matters of policy and then all matters of implementation really get left to the vocational staff in the church. You know, I think, Julie, the other thing that was really whacked out about Willows elder board, and I didnt find this out until very late in the representation was they operated by design out of unanimity. Its a calling of God. Vonda was at one time the director of Willow Creeks vocal ministry, and she was one of the first women to come forward and speak publicly about Bill Hybels alleged sexual misconduct. Briscoe What eventually broke the culture of secrecy and protection? Amen. Petes teaching and emphasis on the sufficiency of Christ leaves an indelible mark on so many of our souls. Subscribe Sign up for my daily email devotionals and to stay in touch! Hes just an affectionate kind of guy. Im Julie Roys. The priests who cross the street, right? He even cites a conversation with Darrell Bock, a member who disagrees with the elders but who also says it is not an issue worth dividing over. He currently leads a multi-faceted media ministry called Telling the Truth which he shares with his parents Stuart and Jill Briscoe. It was a huge fixture in evangelicalism. Im wary of the theatrical, evangelical stars that are so prevalent now. Think about the psychology of someone who could be doing what was alleged by Pat Baranowski to have been done to her. Let me give you some examples. So you caught them before that anything actually happened? Today, Telling the Truthis heard anytime and anywhere, thanks to international radio programming, the internet, and our mobile app. Honestly, without being a part of the Willow family at any time, I saw Bill as the best Christian leader I had encountered, by far. Its designed to be fought asymmetrically. But theres something wrong in the whole business of Church. But before we begin, I just want to take a minute to thank the sponsors of this podcast, Judson University, and Marquardt of Barrington. Hes also the chairman of the elder board and his own church, Bent Tree Fellowship. He has been married to Jill for more than 59 years and has three children and 13 grandchildren. You can read about them at their website Teaching the Truth. Thank you so much. And while youre at it, wed really appreciate it if you help us spread the word about the podcast by leaving a review and then please share the podcast on social media so more people can hear about this great content. Oh Well, and I appreciate your service to the church. I think there was a culture of pride at Willow that basically said, We are the elite of the Christian world. About Stuart and Jill Briscoe WebSince that time he has ministered on every continent, written more than 40 books, pastored a church for 30 years, and founded a media ministry called Telling the Truth which now broadcasts daily worldwide. So, and youre the chairman of your board. The ministry began in 1971 while Stuart served as senior pastor of Elmbrook Church in Brookfield, Wisconsin, which grew into the largest evangelical church in the state. Really what it is, Julie, if we want to get down to it and go to spiritual or biblical terms, these are these are works of the flesh when were not led by the Spirit. I think its incredibly dangerous. And not elevated above it. Their board operated by unanimity as well. The woman had come forwarded, but then later recanted her story. Judson is located just 36 miles outside Chicago on a beautiful 90 acre campus. He currently leads a multi-faceted media ministry called Telling the Truth which he shares with his parents Stuart and Jill Briscoe. I was a member of WCCC for many years. Well, lets talk a little bit about the leadership that protected him because I think that is the question that I keep hearing over and over from folks is, How do we prevent this from happening? They have to be theyre incredibly convincing. It took a variety of forms. And so I do think its a healthy thing when youre afraid of doing wrong, because it will be brought up and you will be held accountable. So I was quite taken aback when this scandal came out. He now coaches Pete Briscoe | Brookfield WI. Because they, I mean, they had a massive PR machine they had, they hired Mark DeMoss, his firm to come in and try to resolve things from a PR standpoint. I was the senior pastor of Bent Tree Bible Fellowship for nearly 30 years. In the early 2000s, as Stuart and Jill transitioned into minister-at-large roles and spent more time traveling to serve the global church, an additional voice was added in order to bless the supporters ofTelling the Truth. Right? Heres my belief, Julie, I think the church at large, the big leaders in evangelicalism, we can name names if we want to, and Im sure that people have names on their mind when theyre hearing this, Why were they silent? He is with us today to talk about growing communication skills to improve preaching as well as how we can find deeper fulfillment in our work and lives. The other thing I wanted to talk to you about in you mentioned this in earlier discussion we had about the identity of elders and how so often, and I dont think its just elders, I think its a lot of the senior pastor leadership and staff that their identity tends to become enmeshed with the success or failure of the organization theyre a part of. But you had said you had gotten this manual and it was about, you know, basically how to be an elder and how to lead. God is doing a new work both in the lives of the Briscoe's and in the life of Bent Tree. And theyre born knowing how to do that. Powerful ministry at some points. At the urging of a friend working in the radio industry, the Briscoes followed God's leading and used the tape sales proceeds to purchase local radio time, which launched Telling the Truth's radio outreach. And someone Im extremely glad is serving in church leadership. For more information just go to JudsonU.edu. Today were talking with Pete Briscoe, who served as the senior pastor for nearly three decades at Bent Tree Bible Fellowship in Carrollton, Texas, and now consults with and coaches pastors. Yeah, totally agree. We needed to go to the hills and fight as guerillas, you know, what is guerrilla warfare? To us, he was Stu, Dad and Poppa and we already miss him achingly." Stuart Briscoe died on August 3 "of natural causes unexpectedly" according to a tweet from his son, Pete Briscoe. My husband and I actually bought our last car from our court and we had a great experience. And I do think theres a spiritual stronghold, I hope and pray that it will be broken in our area. You can read about them at their website Teaching the Truth. Pete Briscoe, our pastor at our church came out in support of the Dyers, which was bold, and it was brave. Like if you go back and you actually read his books line-on-line, there are some things in there in those books where you go, For a pastor, that should be unacceptable. But he was attenuating his church culture and culture at large to him in his behavior. Because I often wonder what would have happened if he had come back and you know, not been well are not been really able to do his job but said, You know what, Ive got to do this. This is the you know, erither, I need the job, or, This ministry completes me. or whatever, whatever the excuse is. Destroyed by a staff person is my understanding. This is just the way things are in Corinth. Continue Reading The Upper Room: John 15 Posted by Nate Murray Thats a bad default state. So as we part ways, let us make the departure sweet. Briscoe says that he wants Bent Tree to be a place where people can agree to disagree over this issue. Bill Hybels and Bill Clinton, you know, developed a friendship over the years that at least what Ive discovered in my research, there was an invitation for Clinton to come and speak at the Global Leadership Summit, and a confrontation with the elder board about that because Clinton was on the heels of an adultery scandal. Pete grew up in a home with intelligent and committed parents: both And Willow just, they got killed because they wouldnt respond and say the truth. So your pastor, he chose himself to step down, correct? With distinctly different teaching styles, you'll be moved by the emotional appeal of Jill and the compelling logic of Stuart, as they boldly proclaim God's sovereignty, grace, and love. You have to have a lead pastor who creates a strong culture of accountability. I When you think about the economic reach of an organization that was that size within evangelicalism, my goodness, even Christianity Today was scared to run articles about it. Funny, whenever I would watch Bill Hybels preach online or speak at the GLS, and he would go into that quavering voice, tears-in-his-eyes, emotional mode, Id stop listening. It manifested even at the IT level at the church. That is not a matter of policy. And Im like, Ive never seen a spiritual leader ever, ever have that sort of self disclosure in front of the church before he preaches. It grows on the vanilla orchid, and it only grows in really exotic places like Tahiti, and there are some places in Mexico it grows too, but what is unique about the vanilla orchid is when it blooms, its got to be pollinated within one day. Many more than even Vonda Dyer knew. WebBriscoe says that he wants Bent Tree to be a place where people can agree to disagree over this issue. And so when these things happen, they cant just stay silent. Julie, it is great to be with you again. To me, Bill did not come across as a predator, flirty or suggestive with women. And that was how Bill deformed his accountability structure. So Im guessing youre not against lawyers being on board. So its more than flirty words or suggestions. Id like to share a few things as we navigate this loss together. Yeah, that is super dangerous. Pete has offered to But lets talk about since were talking about the media, Willow Creek had unbelievable resources at its disposal, right. 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