Sounds like from above that ADG is making 7 MAX brass, which is what Rich told me last year would be happening. You are using an out of date browser. How bout building a 280AI. With 165gr bullets the 300 has a fair amount of recoil with a 150gr it feels more like a 30/06. It's often put head-to-head with other popular calibers like the 7mm Rem. You might think Remington started the 7mm cartridge trend in 1962 with its famous 7mm Remington Magnum, but by then the 7mm Mauser was already well known. Retumbo. First, the 7mm Rem Mag and 28 Nosler use larger diameter bullets than the 6.8 Western. The 28 Nosler is also loaded to a slightly higher pressure than the 300 Win Mag (65,000psi vs 64,000psi). Copyright 2004, 2013 by Chuck Hawks. I love my 7 SAUM and would do it again. Subscribe to OL+ for our best feature stories and photography. Qty: Add to cart . 7mm Rem. You see a 7mag throated with 250 freebore and adg brass can do all of this. These are some impressive numbers. He is having adg make brass for him, its head stamped and the neck diameter and length are correct for his design, will still need to be fire formed. 7mm mag has stood the test of time. Newer calibers tend to fade quickly these days. 28 nosler is a great case, barrel burner, but if you're looking for say 3000fps w/ 195 at lower pressure, use H1000 or Retumbo, adg/gunwerks brass, and the brass will last you forever, take care the barrel and it may go 1000 rounds. Have a 6.5 PRC and currently building a 7 SAUM. Now lets check out the 7mm RUM. Barrels are like truck tires. We ain't raisen no yuppy girls! Thats the 7mm magnum advantage. As the .30-06 Springfield has a .473 case head and uses the .470 +/- bolt face, any cartridges list on the above two bolt face diameter and action length database charts above, that also use the .470 +/- bolt face, and have a COAL of 3.34 or shorter, will work with .30-06 actions. At SAAMI specs you really hinder the performance, need a little extra freebore to seat the bullets out further. We're doing break in on it tomorrow. Fill this with 88 grains of slow burning Reloder 33 powder and, according to the Nosler Reloading Guide 8, you should get 3,211 fps from a 26-inch barrel. performance without stepping up to a full magnum length cartridge and rifle action was Noslers goal. Creedmoor Sports $ 116.95 . gavevare til innvarming, bryllup, bursdager og alle anledninger. Straight on shot into chest between the legs at about 50 yds. My thinking was that good ol' 7mm RM. Mag. Were I seeking the absolute top-end, extreme-range performance and willing to carry a 28 inches of barrel, Id look harder at the RUM. factory 7mm Rem. 7 saum 7 rem mag 7 ultra mag 28 nosler The 284 and 280 appeal to me for lower cost (components and barrel life), but they are the slowest. When making your choice, don't factor in component or ammo availability. ammo. Specifically, the larger diameter .284 bullets used by those 7mm cartridges have about 5% more frontal surface area (also known as cross sectional area) than the .277 bullets used by the 6.8 Western (.0633 vs .0603 square inches). My conclusion: if you already own any 7mm magnum for hunting, (7mm WSM, 7mm SAUM, 7mm RM, 7mm LRM, 7mm STW, 7mm Wby. 28 Nosler brass can be a pain to find, same goes for the ammo. To comply with the new e-Privacy directive, we need to ask for your consent to set the cookies. Anyone looking for really good dies call Whiddon and have them made. Full-magnum action long. Run 230-240 freebore this will work for 180eldm, 184, 190,195 Bergers. Less well known in the U.S. (but more ballistically advanced) was the 7mm Weatherby Magnum from the early 1940s. Nosler AccuBond Long Range. Buy Now. Dec 7, 2019 #14 ; 7 mag easy. Clearly Hornady wasnt trying to break any speed records with the 7 PRC. But to really appreciate this, lets run a trajectory chart out to some crazy ranges. Great case design, great bc bullets available, more efficient powder burn than most 7mm cartridges, low recoil, and very very accurate. My 28 will not blow the door of the 7 MAX which is why I did not rechamber a 28, I want more accurate load life and no chasing lands around for only a little gain on the very end of trajectory. My hunting partner just bought a CA Ridgeline TI in 6.5PRC. This is Not a New Thing. And thats part of the reason 7mms are so popular. New member question. The structure of the material reveals the hardness. Now waiting on ADG to do another run of 7 SAUM brass. A major part of that depends on rifling twist. 22 Nosler. Those are some impressive numbers. Another vote for 280ai if building a light weight hunt rig all the horsepower needed close to 7rm but standard action with room for an extra round. Easily fed from a BDL mag box. (Aim for center and bullet will not rise more than 5 inches nor fall more than 5 inches within the MPBR. Mag., the 264 Win. Mag. The 175 ELDX load Ive been using is so good no reason to try newer powders or bullets. So how do you choose among these three? If you're only going to be shooting 160's, I think the regular 7 Rem Mag would definitely be a more economical choice. 8.7 twist 5R and 180 JLKs couldnt consistently make it to 100 past 3Kfps. Trustpilot. Buy Now. runs at 2940 fps and the .280 AI runs at 2850 fps). Adding two inches of barrel to the 24 inches of our 7mm Rem. This just-released (October 26, 2022) cartridge has the potential to become the 7mm Remington Magnum of the 21st century. Foot of the Big Belt Mountains near Townsend MT. .280 AI hands-down. Then Remington blew the doors wide open with their new 7mm magnum chambered in their equally new and affordable M700 rifles. include more options in rifles and ammo, more accessible and less expensive ammo, less recoil, a potentially shorter, handier, lighter rifle, and longer barrel life. Lots of hiking, backpacking, climbing, shooting to 450 yards, maybe 500 yards. Mag. I agree mud, but where does the 284 shehane fall compared to the above cartridges? It may not display this or other websites correctly. Of course, you can exactly match 7mm ballistics with a .308 bullet if BC and MV are identical. 28 Nosler offers excellent performance but brass is spendy and availability is hit or miss . But if your wanting the long action anyway, I'd go with the 280ai. Want to do 24-26 barrel. It is intended for long-range shooting due to its ability to utilize high BC bullets, and is also uniquely suited for hunting large animals such as elk. Good luck in your search, hope youll be as happy as I am with my results. And heres a top load for the 175-gr. Like most of our early magnums, this is based on the belted .375 H&H Magnum case. Bullet size is another one of the other important differences between the 28 Nosler vs 300 Win Mag. I've mostly shot 180 Berger's and its been really accurate. 28 nosler is a great choice for the heavies mine is throated for the 195 eols but im gonna try the 190 atips soon. The 28 Nosler uses .284 diameter bullets while the 300 Win Mag uses larger .308 bullets. Im sure Remington engineers started with the .300 H&H case, but it was itself a modification of the .375, so same difference. What was your 28 Nosler load with 180s at 3080? This compromise should account for the slower muzzle velocities many rifles produce with factory loads and safe handloads. make ideal whitetail and mule deer takers with 140-to 160-grain bullets. Which action are you using and what barrel length? Because the 7mm RM is a familiar benchmark, lets establish some basic performance numbers in an 8 pound rifle with 24-inch barrel spitting a representative spire point, boat tail, 175-grain hunting bullet, B.C. The sample Hornady 180-gr. Buy Now. One of the draws to the 7 SAUM is the availability of high-quality brass through companies like Norma and ADG. Mag. I have both the 300 and 7mm SAUM, the 300 is on a model 7 action and the 7mm a standard 700SA. Reloading data published in the fifth edition of the Nosler Reloading Guide for the 7mm Rem. All of the figures from both companies were developed in 24 inch test barrels. They explain in part the enduring popularity of the 7mm Rem. The 7 SAUM offers better performance than the 300 Win Mag in a package that is almost as small as the 6.5 Creedmoor. . That's how gun control works.". Running a 7mm like others velocities are really easily to get. I did shoot a black bear years ago with a 140gr Sierra, ugly. Ron Spomer The 7mm advantage comes from relatively high BC (ballistic coefficient) bullets in popular weights commonly used for hunting horned and antlered game. $89.95. Som en stor omfattende nettbutikk er hjemsol forpliktet til hjelpe deg med skape et stt liv med vre utskte produkter. Almost through fire forming but ran some pressure ladders with fully formed brass with 180 Berger hybrids, H1000 looks like I'll be at a good max at 3000 fps and R26 3050 fps and I good life. Muzzle energy means the energy of the bullet at the time of leaving the gun. Remington claims a MV of 3175 fps and ME of 3133 ft. lbs. Since this rifle will be used sparingly maybe I can afford to go with something a little harder on the barrel. Actually just today finally found a Redding type s die seton stock. might not sound like a big deal until you start maneuvering it in and out of cases, trucks, scabbards, and forests. I have both chambered up on the same rifle, the 28 is about cooked so spun up a 7 MAX and maybe in a month I'll get time to pull the trigger more on it, fire forming and case prep amounts to chamfer, add primer, powder and bullet to ADG 7 MAX brass and pull the trigger. Published Nov 25, 2019 7:53 PM EST. Running 8twist Proof 168s run flat, 5.2mils the other morning at 912y. Remington and Winchester went to short, fat, unbelted cases for their latest 7mm magnums, the 7mm Remington Short Action Ultra Magnum and the Winchester Short Magnum. $ 87.00 - $ 145.00. ADG 300 Norma Magnum Brass. Indeed, over the years my 7mms have handled this stuff. 7rm for me. Pretty sure the can thing is a complete game changer on optimal barrel length. I am very pleased I am shooting retumbo using adg brass which is excellent brass highly recommend, shooting 165 Gamechanger at 3075, 180 Berger right at 3000. Retained mass helps maintain momentum. Once you get some freebore to seat the long, heavy bullets out, it really shines. The shot prior a half grain less powder had minimal pressure signs. Mag., the new .28 Nosler, and the over-the-top 7mm RUMa shoot-off to find the best, By The 28 Nosler has a muzzle energy of 3470 ft-lbs, and the 30 Nosler has muzzle energy at 3639 ft-lbs. A 24" nosler should still outrun a 24" rem mag (all other things equal). You go long. . I suspect the Sherman cases are all running between 70-80k psi on the upper end. For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. It will shoot as fast as a 7mm SAUM and brass is easy to find. | I set my dies to headspace off the shoulder and forget about the belt. Mag. ADG makes 28 nosler brass for a great option. Ryan Pierce is a gunsmith, Piercison Rifles, and he is the first person I saw that was playing with the extra freebore. You must log in or register to reply here. It is going to be strictly a hunting gun on a lighter weight platform. Choices have changed since I made the decision to go with a 7 WSM 10-15 years ago. I have a variety of options on this, as I am planning to do this on a DTA, for which I have both .535 and .585 bolts, and the DTA mags are pretty generous in regard to OAL. It does have a dark side, though. I wish there was more 7SAUM options, I feel there's a gap in the market. The 7max performance that Rich advertises is somewhat inflated and HOT loadings. Minuteman. My Saum is on a med length action and was a full tilt everything I wanted build. Just picked up a tikka for a donor build for a lightweight 6.5 PRC or 7mm SAUM. Mag. The 28 is not going to be but about 25-50 FPS faster and it makes little difference. With a 160 grain bullet the Remington figures are 2960 fps and 3112 ft. lbs. I dont reload but i see this statement a lot. It is simply the 7mm SAUM case necked down. Most hunters who resist target practice can get a lifetime of good accuracy out of these 7mms. It only makes sense, case with 8gr less capacity out running the bigger case, it's because of pressure, and lots of it. Essentially, 7mm PRC rifles will be manufactured with match-grade chambers. Mag. $120.95. Recoil of a 9# Rem. Its likely to be as popular in the 21st century as the Rem Mag was in the 20th. For you guys that have had both with do you prefer. Nosler really hampered the performance of that round with the 3.340" COAL length. needed another shot behind the head to kill it. Kind of soured me on light bullet's. I made the same decision not long ago and went 7mm RM, although barrel life was a consideration for me, which it probably wouldn't be on a strictly hunting rig. Ballistic twins. I love 7mm, just wish it would modernize a bit. Reactions: Zeroit. I would go 7 LRM if it wasn't for the Hornady brass . Elk, moose, kudu and similar large . I also see the counter that belted cases are reloaded just like non belted and it is a non issue. You are using an out of date browser. at the muzzle. Moose by the dozens have fallen to the 7mm Rem. Both were introduced in 2001. There are now at least 14 7mm cartridges being manufactured in the U.S. with several wildcats waiting in the wings. Nonetheless, it's nice to have options Having so many options these days is a double edged sword. Nosler and Hornady load both 7mm Remington Magnum and .280 Ackley ammunition; looking at their data you'll see a difference of 90 to 100 fps between the two, with the belted 7mm Magnum giving the higher velocities (with a 162-grain Hornady ELD-X, the 7mm Mag. If you dont own a 7mm of any kind and want one strictly for hunting, you might as well get the PRC version. Just have the barrel throated so you can load those big pills way out there, to make room for more powder. Clear winner. The Nosler Reloading Guide 9 lists a 175-gr. Abonner p vrt nyhetsbrev og bli den frste som fr vite om kuponger og spesielle kampanjer. Mag. SAUM can be found on the . and a high B.C. That was the 7x57mm re-branded for the non-metric British Rigby rifle. Copyright Ron Spomer Outdoors document.write(new Date().getFullYear()) JavaScript is disabled. Here are some specifications of interest to those reloading the 7mm SAUM cartridge: bullet diameter .284", maximum COL 2.825", maximum case length 2.035". Its a criterion 26 barrel. I didnt have any problems finding reloading supplies. Brass 1 - 12 of 73 Products Sort By Position 220 Swift Premium Brass (50ct) $108.95 6.5mm PRC Bulk Unprepped Brass (100ct) Out of stock $135.49 6.5mm PRC Premium Brass (50ct) Out of stock $118.95 27 Nosler Premium Brass (25ct) It's no surprise then that the 7mm Weatherby held the title "World's Fastest 7mm" until the 28 Nosler appeared. Both are great rounds. 28 Nosler offers excellent performance but brass is spendy and availability is hit or miss . 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