If you're ready to seek help for any type of psychological or personal issue, you have many counseling service options. I joined the Reserves back in 2013 where I annotated I did not do drugs on my Secret SF86. Was it under the table? While it isnt something that is taken lightly, I guess, I am just waiting for someone to tell me there is at least some hope if I am forthcoming. The agency can also submit a request to OPM for them to initiate action to debar the individual government-wide, but considering the levels of bureaucracy and time involved, this rarely happens. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. We would get fired if we lied on a form, but surely someone cant just lie about us without recourse while threatening our jobs. Thank you in advance and thanks to all the people posting info on this sub if it werent for this i would have no idea what i was getting into! If he is willing to lie to the federal government to conceal his behaviors he can be compromised by outside forces and should in no way ever have a security clearance. Misconstrued information on the form grounds for separation from the military. But now that you have lied, the Army may chose to separate you for lying in your application. When you enter the service you have to make a drug and tobacco declaration. I heard they are ok with weed but nothing else. If you are notified of an intent to deny or revoke your security clearance, you have the right . Under no circumstances should you lie, and your friend is a total asshole for asking you to. The Defense Office of Hearings and Appeals keeps an online record of all industrial security clearance decisions. Security clearance permits access to classified national security information. In addition, Federal agencies generally fire, do not grant a security clearance, or disqualify individuals who have materially and deliberately falsified these forms, and this remains a part of the permanent record for future placements. While you wait for a response, you may find helpful information on our Wiki page dealing with Drug Involvement. And I left that off the security clearance paperwork. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Prof Rory Medcalf, the head of the Australian National University's national security college, called for the government to review the security clearance system. something out, or did you unintentionally provide false or misleading In addition to being truthful, here are four rules to keep in mind if you need to take a polygraph for a government position. They can overlook long ago drug use. or If I leave out the fact that I filed bankruptcy over 10 years In all of these cases the individual was found guilty and convicted of a felony offense. Your PSI is current if it is not more than six years old for a Top Secret clearance or not more than 10 years for a Secret clearance. This was a lie as I had smoked weed a couple times from 2010 - 2013 and tried cocaine once in 2011. He lied. It was not an ever question. The first step is filling out the SF-86 form (with all truthful answers) before it goes through an investigative process initiated by the OPM or an outside agency that is contracted by the OPM. Security clearances aren't denied simply because people have a colored past. DCSA can only discuss case status information with authorized contacts from your branch of service. If you lie you're committing a federal offense. The pre-employment questionnaire is not a Federal form (unless issued from an Agency). Ask questions about security clearance process, how to fill out SF86 forms, adjudicative guidelines, security clearance investigations and more. 21 comments share save hide report 72% Upvoted This thread is archived They may wonder, Anybody else have any experience with this? I do believe he was administratively separated. Edit: also the level of incorrect information in here is worrisome. A U.S. Marine Veteran (Ret.) So I can just refuse to participate? If they catch a whiff of deception on the part of the applicant, its game over, man. They will ask you for a reason because it's best to give one in their report when they explain they weren't able to interview you, but they will not and cannot force you to participate. Former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn appears to have lied to security clearance investigators by telling them he was paid by "U.S. companies" when he traveled to Russia in. good and bad, is closely evaluated and used to reach a final determination. This information is not intended to create, and receipt 2.) Program Manager, I've been part of USG donor-supported efforts working with CSOs; independent media organizations & journalists; to improve their capacity through training and programs focused on countering information operations; improving operational security; and creating crisis communications frameworks. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Began process with intern company (August 2019), ended up lying about marijuana and prior drug use that occurred over a year and a half ago. We have security clerks that go through your previous investigations. In thatsecretagent responseis there actually a possibility I get kicked out due to fraudulent enlistment? When a person is seeking security clearance, they will be required to fill Come Clean and Tell the Truth. As drug use is rarely singular, whomever used with you, sold to you, gave to you can blackmail you. Whether or not a certain job will require a security clearance is determined by the employer. All that is being looked at is. HIs SF86 said he did not. I have obtained my top secret clearance. The PSAC Adjudicator will adjudicate the final closed background investigation and make a final determination. And Tim's gonna mention his friend Andy (who Friend also didn't reference and hasn't briefed), and they're gonna go talk to Andy as well. Even with security clearance, an employee or contractor must prove their need to know secure information before receiving access. With the increasing implementation of Continuous Evaluation for security clearance holders, government agencies are increasingly using CE enrollment as establishing a current versus expired clearance. You can decline to participate with no repercussions. You might keep the clearance and the job but it will go way worse if they find out on their own. Here it is: One year ago, I applied for a Secret clearance. That would be the people who lived next to the apartment we moved out of when I was six months old. From the SF86 that you signed: Eventually he was brought in by FBI agents for questioning about his involvement with the group. For the majority of clearance holders, a Privacy Act request through the Defense Counterintelligence and Security Agency provides the necessary information. There are obviously more factors considered than just your weed use. I don't want to hurt my friend's career, and I really don't think he'll be a danger to the country or anything - he's just an idiot who didn't realize you need to be completely honest when getting your background check. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. What, if anything, you decide to do about correcting the pre employment form is up to you. 2023 ClearanceJobs - All rights reserved. Don't rely on the recruiter for anything ever again. My question is how will this affect my chances for TS? The agency can just leave it as a simple security clearance denial or revocation and the individual will still be eligible to apply for other non-sensitive positions within that agency or they can also debar the individual from eligibility for all positions within that agency for a period of up to three years. If you are applying for security clearance and would like assistance with the process, please contact our office to schedule an appointment. If he doesn't understand and support your decision, he's not your friend. Basically, the DOD wants to establish that you are honest and trustworthy based on previous behavior. If you get asked about drug use and you didn't actually see him taking drugs, you can honestly say that you don't have first hand knowledge of that. Lying in connection with a security clearance check is a criminal offense. All reliable, past and present information about the applicant, Much about the clearance process resembles the Pirates Code: more what youd call guidelines than actual rules. This case-by-case system is meant to consider the whole person, increase process security, and allow the lowest-risk/highest-need candidates to complete the process. [Seriously. I'm curious then, if you suspect that someone has misrepresented in an interview, do you make a note about that interviewee's veracity that might become part of their record in the event they were to ever apply for clearance? Now I'm freaking out. meet the established personnel security guidelines, which are covered It's eating me up, I don't want to face legal consequences anda dishonorable discharge and I just feel bad about lying. Categories Blog To make sure that they know EVERYTHING about him because if they already know he can't be blackmailed later. People in bad financial states are a risk because they may be tempted to take money in exchange for violating their clearance. Scattered Castles is the security clearance system of record for Intelligence Community security clearance holders. All my questions are pretty much directly handled by the recruiter i havent had any contact with any security officer from the company and the interviewer i met once and i have no contact info for. Here's the thing; the biggest risks of clearances is other people using your information against you to manipulate or blackmail. This thread has been locked by the moderators of r/legaladvice. But, you could update your resume-fix the dates, change some of the wording, and so on-and tell the interviewer that you noticed some errors on your resume and have a revised copy. or personal history statement, or if they deliberately lie about relevant Fill out the forms and answer the questions. On December 21, 2021, particularly in response to the changing landscape of marijuana use under state law, Director of National Intelligence Avril Haines issued a memorandum clarifying the guidance. So where does that leave us as far as punishing the individual? The extra questions at the end of the interview asks basically if you have ever provided fraudulent information on an official form or if you have mislead an official/investigator. I guess in regards to backtracking my answers for the pre employment forms It would be up to my discretion. Lying is something they dont take lightly. and our If they think you're lying for him, they may or may not charge you, but either way you risk any potential future clearance that you might want. You can mention the issue at that time. For the rest of the cases, agencies would rather just deny or revoke the individuals security clearance and terminate their relationship with the agency in order to move on to the next candidate. If its someone at a former company that wouldnt help to determine your eligibility for employment or security clearance, maybe list another reference. Not a background check but a security clearance. Its still useful to inquire about your most recent investigation date and CE status before you depart one cleared position for another, or separate from military service. 1. When you applied for security clearance, did you leave accidentally leave What recourse do applicants have if they have proof that a previous contact or boss or coworker lied on the INV form 41? Any lie, error, or omission in your security clearance application (SCA) can-and will-be used as grounds to deny you a clearance. So, bottom line: chill tf out it's not a big deal. Yes - military records are not only fair game but routinely reviewed. or viewing does not constitute, an attorney-client relationship. That just means your ability to appeal is limited. Sooner or later you will require a new SF86 though. Answer (1 of 3): very much so. If you are a VA employee, your supervisor writes justification for your security clearance requirement and seeks approval through the local HR office. The terrible attack and advice you and your cronies are giving to a young man who honorably served his country and made a mistake was shocking and unacceptable. omits or conceals information from their personnel security questionnaire Learn from this mistake and keep your nose clean . 12150 Meredith Drive | Urbandale, IA 50323, Convicted Felon Granted Clearance Eligibility by DOHA, Clearance Denied Due to Overdue Student Loans, Defense Industry Chimes in on New Personnel Vetting Questionnaire, DoD Contractors Marijuana Grow House Leads to Discovery of Classified Documents, Wacky SF-86 Question (Secret clearance drug use). facts to their employer, a security official, a doctor, or a government Flash forward to 2020 where I am now active and trying to get an another position which requires a TS. process. This process consists of a detailed examination of the Just decline to give the interview. The U.S. government provides this clearance only to federal employees and contractors whose job duties require secure access. Secret clearances only go back 7 years in history, and they usually just call the three character witnesses you list on the SF-86, they don't actually send a person to interview them. Second, Federal prosecutors also have an enormous workload and dont want to spend the resources, time and effort on these types of case. I understand that if I withhold, misrepresent, or falsify, information on this form, I am subject to the penalties for inaccurate or false statement per US criminal code title 18 section 1001 denial or revocation of a security clearance, and/or removal and debarment from Federal Service. A person enlists before the SF 86 is completed - dont they?. If they're decent at their job they'll ask pointed questions about specific drugs or incidents. This means, without a reason to obtain one, applying for a clearance isn't a process you can initiate on your own without a sponsor. Aug. 15, 2018. Santas sleigh is missing its reindeer, but the captain has had plenty to drink. You lied again. Bruce Kelly says: October 3, 2014 at 10:06 am. A security clearance is like a background check. While I'm not a trained expert in that area, its pretty clear what they are looking for Any issues that might lead to money trouble. The idea is that this is blackmail material. Using Fed Hiring Clearance for Contractor Role. Kushner was not granted full security clearance until May of 2018, almost a year and a half into his role as a senior advisor pertaining to matters in the Middle East. Its amazing. You lied. On my security paperwork for my clearance I left out that I was fired from a job for stealing more than $500 worth of merchandise. You are expected to answer only what they ask. I know when it comes to adjudication it can vary depending on the situation or even the judge assigned to the case. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Hello all, title pretty much sums it up. To help us make this determination, we ask that you complete all items on the back of this form and return the form in the enclosed envelope. But they definitely aren't forgiving of folks lying on their forms. What's good is that you recognize that you are in the wrong and thankfully not majorly so. We send a separate inquiry to the personnel office and each supervisor shown on the persons application; therefore, please do not forward this for completion by someone else.. You also may be kicked out of the military completely due to fraudulent enlistment. The age-old adage told to you by your parents "honesty is always the best policy" rings true when filling out Standard Form 86 (SF86), which starts the process of obtaining a security clearance. Follow your usual routine. If he just told the truth up front & asked you to do the same, hed probably be fine. Lying about reportable issues is a no-no, lawyer or not, and is harder to mitigate than most original issues. ClearanceJobs Blog 2023 ClearanceJobs - All Rights Reserved. Many applicants worry that . out various forms, such as the security questionnaire and the personal In the 1980s and 1990s, debt collectors engaged in some shady tactics. However, personal conduct, drug involvement, and security violations are three reasons that we frequently encounter in our work. There's a chance they might not even call you. Brought to you by ClearanceJobs.com. This is assuming that an applicant is able to prove 100% that the form 41 is filled out in a way that is 100% a lie. u/bluelinefrog, Its important to note that adjudicators dont usually base a security clearance denial or revocation on the word of a single reference or verifier. Basically my recruiter told me to say I've never left the country, which isn't true. Intent does matter, and even if you intended to lie at the time you made the false statement, showing remorse before you get called to the carpet on the lie goes a long way . Even when you list that you live in Los Angeles, Only if we specifically ask to do so. OP, I've had friends who have put me down as a reference for security clearances at least a half dozen times. They went back and asked the apartment next door about me. Email lindy.kyzer@clearancejobs.com. The vast majority of clearance holders are cleared through the National Industrial Security Program (NISP). Consult an attorney regarding your specific situation. Can the investigators access previous OPM investigation profiles? question. As an experienced Sr. One of my co-workers from a previous unit was in literally the exact same situation as me but with far more extensive use of drugs (LSD, cocaine, marijuana, and a few others Ive never heard of) and was more recent like 3-4 yrs ago. Quite the pickle. Unfortunately, the two systems dont communicate information back and forth, so if you hold a security clearance with multiple agencies and need to verify your status, you may need to have your security officer check multiple systems. In deciding whether to grant, deny or revoke a security clearance, the Office of Personnel Management (OPM) expects applicants to provide full and . I failed to mention the one and only time I ever did any drugs. If convicted, the criminal penalties include fines of up to $10,000 and/or imprisonment up to five years. Your best and safest option at this point is to say nothing. College senior going into first year of work and am receiving forms to begin with my security clearance process. They determine the level of clearance awarded to a person, which consist of three different levels: 1) Confidential, 2) Secret, and 3) Top Secret. Appreciate it. I am completely unfamiliar with the clearance process. The pre-employment forms are usually used to head off problems before they occur. Your friend has asked you to commit a criminal offense. I've known this guy since middle school, and know that for a few years he partied pretty hard with various drugs/alcohol. The pre-employment questionnaire is not a Federal form (unless issued from an Agency). It's only activated as a requirement by the organization. I had just turned 22. I dont write that to insult you, rather for you to see it from clearance division perspective. If I was the boss I'd launch an investigation into their shoddy practices but I'm not the boss. 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